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发表于 2017-4-23 14:10:35 |显示全部楼层
安卓社区测试Mate9的结果,一样发现了EMMC、UFS2.0、UFS2.1三种不同型号的存储芯片。

华为虽然急忙删除官网信息,但之前的页面已经被截屏

之前

之前

之前,参见ROM的部分

现在

现在

现在

Following Huawei’s admission that there are multiple different memory configurations in use on the P10, the company has quietly removed mention of UFS 2.1 from the Mate 9’s product page. In yesterday’s statement, Huawei noted that in all of its P10 marketing material “there has been no commitment to the use of only one specific flash memory”. But Huawei did make such a claim for the Mate 9.

On previous versions of the official Mate 9 product page (which, coincidentally, uses the same Kirin 960 SoC as the P10), there was clear mention of both LPDDR4 and UFS 2.1, which you can see in the topmost image below. However, the section pertaining to UFS 2.1 has now been removed from several of Huawei’s global sites (I still see it on the US site, for example, but it’s gone on the UK site and several others).

While we’re not necessarily saying Huawei is up to anything nefarious – this missing detail could be due to any number of reasons – we do have something potentially relevant to mention. Following yesterday’s events, we ran the same Androbench test used on the P10 on three of our Mate 9 review units. Like the P10 units tested in China, our results varied widely. From around 250 MB/s on one device to 550 MB/s on another with a third hitting 830 MB/s. All tests were run multiple times.

As Huawei noted in its statement yesterday, “these scores are not applicable in actual use scenarios” and there are multiple factors at play that can affect the read speeds of a device’s flash memory. But if you have a Mate 9 we encourage you to run your own tests and see what kind of sequential read speed your device is getting. We’ve reached out to Huawei again for an explanation on the removal of UFS 2.1 from the Mate 9 product page and will update this post with any new information we receive.

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-9-removes-mention-ufs-2-1-766214/

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lion2k2cn  怎么看手机是什么闪存?  发表于 2017-4-24 11:25

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  四级军士长

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2015-10-7
发表于 2017-4-23 14:29:04 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
如果是真的,保留证据,申请退货或者赔偿。
这种官司打赢没悬念。可以先去消协投诉的。

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发表于 2017-4-23 21:59:26 |显示全部楼层
OK,只要证据确凿,应该来一发,敲打一下,这个我赞成。

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发表于 2017-4-23 22:30:01 |显示全部楼层
偷工减料,弄虚作假,骗取暴利,被揭发。不是认错,道歉,赔偿。而是毁灭证据,狡辩推卸责任,大规模雇水军洗地,请人写软文转移视线,混淆视听。华为这样的公司太令人恶心了,前无古人的无耻。

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2016-2-22
发表于 2017-4-23 22:43:38 |显示全部楼层
打正规官司,小民耗不起大公司,所以,起诉的地点选择很重要。大公司耍流氓,怕的是那些管辖区域法院,有权先期下达销售禁止令的。这样一来,市场销售片区受到影响,经销商会连带索赔。

华为是要汲取教训了,维修花全款以为买了新屏幕,结果换了块返修品,用了六个月就坏了,还耍流氓告诉客户,返修就是全款换的屏幕只保修三个月,不是12个月。余大嘴顾头不顾腚。失望ing

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又四月  这么坑爹  详情 回复 发表于 2017-4-24 11:08

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发表于 2017-4-23 23:22:13 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 非洲大红脸 于 2017-4-23 23:22 编辑

不用担心小民耗不起大公司,可以找王海,也可以找中兴、小米让友商提供法律资源,官司打赢了分成。打赢赢官司会退一赔三,报团,量大的话,找个渠道商出货,这笔买卖我看行。

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发表于 2017-4-23 23:23:50 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
先在网上发召集令,清点受害者人数,这就是钱。官司稳赢。

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红塔山  稳赢的官司,你可以买个几百部手机来搞,一定搞定他  详情 回复 发表于 2017-4-24 07:52

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发表于 2017-4-23 23:26:51 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 非洲大红脸 于 2017-4-23 23:32 编辑

在国外买的就要在国外打官司,赔得更多。男人就要对自己狠一点。蓝绿兄弟也别闲着,忽悠渠道商退货,把渠道商收到蓝绿兄弟阵营里。中兴在全球都有律师,可以动起来了。从发达国家开始。

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发表于 2017-4-24 02:04:42 |显示全部楼层
华为给Android Authority网站的官方回复

“We are aware that there has been some recent online discussion in China regarding the flash memory in HUAWEI P10/P10 Plus.

Huawei employs the highest standards when selecting technologies and components for use in its products; we prioritize user experience, product quality and stability of supply. The HUAWEI P Series of smartphones is one of the company’s global flagship series and has become hugely ******lar worldwide, thanks to the excellent photography experience it provides. This ******larity has led to enormous demand.

To meet global demand of millions of units, Huawei has employed the standard industry practice of sourcing solutions from multiple trusted suppliers to ensure a balance between user experience, quality and sustainable supply. Relying on a single component supply can lead to a shortage, meaning delays for consumers who wish to buy our new products. In the case of flash memory, in this instance, Huawei has chosen multiple simultaneous mainstream solution suppliers.

Huawei is and always has been, above all, committed to providing an extraordinary user experience. The performance of a single component can’t exactly reflect the overall system performance of a smartphone and these scores are not applicable in actual use scenarios.

Among all HUAWEI P10 marketing collateral, there has been no commitment to the use of only one specific flash memory. Different flash memory components are shipped randomly based on the supply at that time. There are no period batches or manual selection for chip batches, nor is there any discrimination or intention to defraud to consumers. Our approach is to measure the overall performance of our phones through software algorithms and chip tuning, rather than to focus on any single component.

In the HUAWEI P10/P10 Plus, we use multiple different suppliers for flash memory, which have been subject to strict and rigorous testing as part of our finished products, so as to ensure the excellence and consistency of user experience that we strive for. This has been reflected in the overwhelmingly positive worldwide response to the HUAWEI P10 since its launch, thanks to its beautiful design and the stunning artistic portrait photography experience it delivers.

Smartphone manufacturing is an industry with a very long supply chain. Huawei is committed to making the user experience the core factor in product design and innovations. We will continue to work closely with our partners to optimize the industry ecosystem and deliver even better products and experiences to consumers.”

意思跟国内的官方答复是一致的,就是单个部件的表现差异并不会对整机的表现产生影响。

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-p10-p10-plus-memory-storage-lpddr3-or-lpddr4-ram-ufs-2-0-ufs-2-1-emmc-5-1-765670/

但也有不少介绍存储技术的网页提出跟华为不一样的观点

比如这里说的:

总之,eMMC的读写性能并不优秀,受限于8位并行接口和半双工模式的先天缺陷,eMMC的潜力已经基本挖掘殆尽,成为了拖累移动设备整体体验的瓶颈所在。比如,影响了开机速度、APP启动速度、相机存储速度。此外,eMMC的半双工模式导致其读写必须分开执行,在实际应用中的影响就是,当我们将手机与PC连接,在拷贝照片的同时将无法访问手机存储空间内的其他文件夹,也无法同时往手机里拷贝数据(图4 图注:eMMC手机在拷贝数据时进行其他操作会报错),只有等照片传输完毕后才能进行其他操作。

http://m.cfan.com.cn/pcarticle/125900

相比傳統的eMMC,UFS2.0除了速度快之外,還有以下五個方面的顯著優勢。

首先,UFS2.0的傳輸技術改為串行,這是最核心的改變之一。這個改變帶來的結果就是數據在傳輸過程中抗乾擾能力特別強,此外,串行速度還可以通過多條通道並行來提高速度。

此外,UFS2.0在改用串行總線後,不再使用eMMC的半雙工方式,而是改用了全雙工方式,收發數據可以同時進行。也就是說,當我們將手機與PC連接,在拷貝照片的同時也可以訪問手機存儲空間內的其他文件夾,也可以同時往手機裡拷貝數據,而不用等照片傳輸完畢後才能進行其他操作。

*UFS2.0采用串行傳輸,兩個通道,支持同時讀寫。相比並行傳輸的eMMC速度更快,效率更高。

第三,UFS2.0的數據指令系統基於SCSI結構,而之前的eMMC基於原生架構,顯然SCCI架構更為智能。

第四,UFS2.0對存儲的支持也更好了。之前的eMMC采用32bit地址總線,最大能支持2TB存儲空空間。而UFS2.0在這一點上采用了比較靈活的處理方式,地址總線數量更多,因此最大容量能夠輕松超過2TB。此外,UFS2.0還支持最多八個分區。

最後再來看看功耗。UFS2.0相比eMMC,雖然速度快樂很多、功能也復雜了很多,但是功耗表現上並沒有什麼明顯增加。不過需要注意的是,UFS2.0的速度快樂很多並且能夠支持大量的智能配置功能,因此在進行相同的任務時,UFS2.0的完成速度要高很多,這意味著功耗會由於更高的效率而變相降低,整體耗能得以提升。

https://www.taiwanfansclub.com/article-729704-1.html

简单概括,EMMC比UFS更慢,同时执行的读写任务更少,更耗电,这些会明显影响整机性能。

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发表于 2017-4-24 07:52:32 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
非洲大红脸 发表于 2017-4-23 23:23
先在网上发召集令,清点受害者人数,这就是钱。官司稳赢。

稳赢的官司,你可以买个几百部手机来搞,一定搞定他

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发表于 2017-4-24 10:24:30 |显示全部楼层
店大欺客
伟大的人民 伟大的键盘侠 万岁!!!

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发表于 2017-4-24 10:34:08 |显示全部楼层
如何查看自己MATA9 PRO的存储芯片?

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ulyjj  有人提了些办法 Install terminal emulator, Input command: Quote: ls /proc/fs/* If it shows sd*** below /proc/fs/f2fs, it's UFS. If it show mmc*** below /proc/fs/f2fs, it's eMMC. UFS的印出  详情 回复 发表于 2017-4-24 17:28
自由是自由的!

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我的小米已经被坑过了

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Sinokawa 发表于 2017-4-23 22:43
打正规官司,小民耗不起大公司,所以,起诉的地点选择很重要。大公司耍流氓,怕的是那些管辖区域法院,有权 ...

这么坑爹

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菊花今年降成本压力很大,大嘴已被老板K了多次,没办法啊
不容易发现的地方,降得更多,估计今年菊花的手机问题将大爆发

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发表于 2017-4-24 12:48:14 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
mate9维权,带我一个。18838098808

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pwgate  UFS2.0可能比USF2.1性能好,跑分更高,你不知道吧?  发表于 2017-5-13 06:55
海军总司令  mate9是ufs2.1偷换成ufs2.0. 速度与特性达不到ufs2.1要求。维权找王海,方便  详情 回复 发表于 2017-4-24 19:27

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